To explain Stevie Nicks as a lady of many phrases — fascinating phrases — is an enormous understatement. Whether or not it’s within the cosmic lyrics to basic songs like Fleetwood Mac’s “Desires” (which is an even bigger hit than ever, because of Nathan Apodaca’s TikTok skateboarding video); her eloquent, journal-like social media posts; her new fever-dreaming comeback single, “Present Them the Method”; or her totally unfiltered interviews just like the one under, Nicks is a superb thinker, a consummate storyteller, and an absolute icon.
Main as much as the discharge of her movie Stevie Nicks 24 Karat Gold The Concert — which is able to run for 2 nights solely, on Oct. 21 and 25, at choose cinemas, drive-ins, and exhibition areas world wide — KYR Information Leisure spoke at size with the two-time Rock & Roll Corridor of Fame inductee concerning the secret “magic room” the place she conjured “Desires” in 1975, how she got here up together with her signature look, her friendship with Harry Types, her admiration for Ruth Bader Ginsburg, why she’s completely happy being single, her COVID-era fears about by no means with the ability to carry out onstage once more, and her hopes of compiling all of her great phrases right into a e-book sooner or later.
KYR Information Leisure: These days, you’ve got been writing some very lovely, heartfelt issues on social media, virtually like essays. And one that actually struck me was you had been expressing your fears about with the ability to return to doing what you like, which is performing dwell. It have to be bittersweet to be releasing a live performance movie in the course of a time when there are just about no live shows occurring in any respect.
Stevie Nicks: Effectively, to begin with, final February, I had a chat on the telephone with my buddy Harry Types — I name him “H” — about once we might carry out collectively once more, as a result of I had simply sung with him on the Discussion board, and it was a lot enjoyable. And he stated to me, in all of his 26-years-old-ness, “Stevie, I believe it should be a very long time earlier than we will stroll onstage once more. I do not assume that we’ll stroll onstage once more till the tip of 2021, and perhaps not till 2022.” And now I’m like, “Oh my God, this man is extra psychic than I’m!” Rattling if he wasn’t proper. So the factor is, is that, are we unhappy? Sure, we’re devastated. I flip the tv on for 15 minutes and it is displaying each single state and the upticks in each single state, nonetheless going up. Like, what the hell? That is horrible. We had been hoping that by this time we’d be at the least getting nearer to with the ability to return out and at the least do out of doors festivals. However you understand what? We’re not Donald Trump. We won’t put individuals at risk, and we by no means will put individuals at risk due to that. We’re not going to take individuals into an enormous venue just like the Discussion board and take the possibility that they are all going to come back down with this virus in six weeks. So, truthfully, I do not know what the longer term holds.
As quickly as I discovered about [the coronavirus], I stated to the world and to God and to everyone else: “Hear, I am not getting this. I’m not going to get these little blood clots that kind in everyone’s organs. I’m not going to have stroke. I’m not going to have a coronary heart assault. I am not going to have mind fog for the subsequent 5 years of my life. I’m not going to be made into an invalid at 72 years previous.” So I’ve, like, put a skinny plastic protect of magic security round me, and I am actually super-careful. I instantly began out that method, stomping my foot and saying, “Not me!” … For me as a 72-year-old girl, I really feel like that is the final six or seven of what I name the helpful years of my life, and I believe this virus has stolen time from me. And that actually makes me indignant, as a result of I believed I took fairly excellent care of myself, my entire life — I imply, I bought to 72 and I’m nonetheless sporting six-inch heels, and I can nonetheless get away with sporting a brief chiffon skirt onstage if I need. And now, guess what? You are slammed right into a home for 2 years and you’ll’t exit and you’ll’t do something. How might this have occurred? How on the earth did we get right here?
Talking of social media, on the happier facet of issues, do you assume that’s the reason Nathan Apodaca and the “Desires” problem linked so broadly proper now? Clearly you gained that problem together with your roller-skate video, however Tik-Tok is flooded with individuals lip-syncing to songs. And but, Nathan’s clip simply exploded.
Individuals wanted a bit of little bit of magic. I believe it’s a bit of little bit of magic. You understand, “Desires” actually got here proper out of my R&B coronary heart in 1975. And it is a story that no person truly actually is aware of… once we recorded “Desires,” we had been up on the Document Plant in San Francisco and had been virtually accomplished with the 12 demos. All people was engaged on one thing else in the primary studio, and I had this concept. I used to be form of wandering across the studio, in search of someplace the place I might curl up with my Fender Rhodes and my lyrics and a bit of cassette tape recorder. And this man who I did not even know stated, “Are you in search of a spot to go and play?” I stated, “I’m. I’ve a tune in my head and I wish to document it.” And he stated, “OK, now you’ll be able to by no means inform anyone, however I’ve a spot the place you’ll be able to go.” And I am like, “Oh my God, a magic room! Oh my God, I am going to by no means inform anyone.”
And so we went down the hallway and he takes a key and opens this door, and there may be it is a full-on studio that none of us ever knew existed on this constructing — and we would been there for like three months! I stroll in and it is a massive studio with a sunken round form, truly like a lighthouse, like a circle, and there’s keyboards throughout, a bunch of keyboards that went down this tunnel form of factor. After which over to the facet was this massive half-moon round mattress with all black and purple velvet. It sounds a bit of garish, nevertheless it was truly lovely. And I stated, “What is that this?” And he stated, that is Sly Stone’s studio. And I am like, “Are you kidding me? The Sly Stone? He would not care that I used to be in right here?” And he goes, “I do not assume he’d care. He gave me the important thing. So you’ll be able to keep in right here so long as you need.” So I bought up on that mattress and sat there and simply form of vibed out for 15 or 20 minutes, after which I simply began enjoying — and I began enjoying “Desires.” And inside about 20 minutes, it was written and recorded — I imply, super-simply, however nonetheless, I believed, “Thanks, Sly Stone and the spirits of Sly Stone and your entire band.” And so and I walked out again down the hallway and I walked into Fleetwood Mac’s studio, and I stated, “Hear up everyone. I believe I’ve one thing that you just wish to hear.” I performed them a bit of recording of “Desires,” and we recorded that tune that evening.
Wow. That is so cool. Clearly that tune is making the rounds proper now due to the cranberry juice video, however I’ve at all times related that tune with one other viral video: When Lucy Lawless performed you on Saturday Night time Dwell, working a Mexican restaurant.
[laughs] The loopy factor is my mother most likely made the very best Mexican meals in the entire world as a result of we lived in El Paso, Texas, for 5 years — between the third grade and the eighth grade, that was a very long time — and she or he discovered to make like probably the most superb Mexican meals. And she or he additionally advised me that when she was pregnant with me, the one factor that she might preserve down was in enchilada. So I am like, “OK, Lucy Lawless, you’ve got accomplished it. You have got psychically seen into one thing into my household.” I believed that was nice. I imply, I am at all times flattered when individuals take my songs and use them for one thing, you understand, as a result of that is what they’re written for. They are not simply written to be sung onstage. They’re written to be carried with you and pulled out everytime you need them, to make use of for no matter you need. … A tune might go far and huge and simply belong to everyone. When you let it go, as soon as you place it on the market, it is like a child. When you let that little one go, you not have quite a bit to say about it. It goes the place it desires.
You say you are at all times flattered when individuals in popular culture reference your songs or imitate you, so I assume you might be conscious of the Night time of 1,000 Stevies annual drag/membership occasion?
Oh, I’m, I’m!
Have you ever ever thought of like sneaking in, like infiltrating it?
I’ve completely considered it. I’d actually been excited about it like recently earlier than this entire [pandemic] occurred. I at all times thought how enjoyable it will be to really actually disguise myself, like be me, however seem like a unhealthy rendition of Stevie Nicks, in order that I might actually truly be nameless and simply be strolling round and simply be speaking to everyone. … After which on the very finish, I’d simply stroll out onstage to a observe of “Fringe of Seventeen” and simply launch into that tune and everyone would simply unexpectedly cease and lookup and freak out. You by no means know. I can present up at any time.
That may be superb. Woman Gaga truly pulled a stunt like that on RuPaul’s Drag Race. Would you ever try this present?
I would not not take into account it. Doing TV shouldn’t be my very favourite factor as a result of you do not have a lot management over it, and at 72 years previous, I am at all times like anxious about the way in which that individuals movie you. You get a bit of bit extra weirded out about that as you become old. Nevertheless it’s not that I would not love to try this present, and it is not that I won’t do it. I imply, the older I get, I am additionally extra up for a brand new journey than I used to be, say, 10 years in the past. Possibly that is what occurs once you become old too, that you just simply go, like, “Yeah, certain. I am going to do it.”
Individuals would go nuts! So, how did you develop your model? As a result of lots of rock and pop stars, they’re extra, chameleon-like, however you might have a really signature model. Everybody is aware of what the “Stevie Nicks look” is.
At first, I went on the primary Fleetwood Mac tour, which lasted about three months. … I by no means accomplished a tour, so I ended up leaving with simply the few issues that I had purchased right here and there, my regular s***ty garments that I might had for the final 5 yr. I did have a buddy that really made me a few pair of actually slinky bellbottom pants, like Janis Joplin pants, and a few little tops that went with them. However the truth that [Lindsey Buckingham and I] had been just about ravenous for thus lengthy, we had been actually skinny. I used to be like, 105 kilos skinny. And so we get on the street and there is room service. And so guess what? We ordered room service and we ate and ate. I gained about 15 kilos in two weeks and all these garments that I took did not match, and there was nothing I might do. So after I bought dwelling from that tour, I met any individual who knew a designer and her identify was Margi Kent. She had little rhinestones below every of her eyebrows and hair her all the way down to her knees virtually. So I met Margi and I stated, “Hear, that is what I wish to seem like.” And I drew a stick woman with a bit of velvet driving jacket and a bit of skirt with little factors. I stated, “I wish to look a waif in a Charles Dickens story.” I additionally wished actually heavy-duty, lovely platforms, so they might be snug. I wished two skirts and two jackets one jacket, one with lengthy chiffon Rhiannon sleeves and one with regular velvet sleeves. I stated, “That is all I need. And I need two units.”
What I wished was a uniform. I did not wish to have to consider what I will put on. I simply wished to go, “It is time to dress” and have that stuff hanging within the lavatory. And that is how I began. And I checked out myself within the mirror after I put it on and I believed, “That is the very best you are going to ever look. So there is no such thing as a cause to ever change this. You are 28 years previous. While you’re 60, that is nonetheless going to look good on you, except you’ve got gotten actually fats. You possibly can keep in black, as a result of black is slimmer, so simply by no means grow to be coloration as a result of that will not work. ‘And that is what I did. I stayed on this principally the identical outfit and Margi simply up to date it each two or three years. I’m nonetheless sporting jackets that had been made 20 years in the past as a result of they had been made so nicely that they by no means put on out. They by no means look previous. In order that’s actually it. I noticed after I checked out that outfit, that that it will final ceaselessly. … I can take certainly one of my outfits from any dimension, all the way in which again to the start the place I weighed like 110 kilos, and I can put that outfit on any of my goddaughters which might be tiny or those which might be 30 or those which might be 40. Each from time to time, I am going to allow them to play dress-up in my outfits. And it is like, it is not simply me. Everybody appears good in my outfit.
I am curious although, that once you went with that authentic sketch to Margi and also you had this very clear imaginative and prescient, the place did that come from?
It was very particular, huh? I believe that it did come from someplace between Oliver Twist and Nice Expectations and people sorts of tales that I learn and love, even like Wuthering Heights and Jane Eyre, these sorts of form of fairytale books. These heroines had been positively particular in what they wore. However OK, I did see any individual form of in that outfit. At one level when Lindsey and I did these 4 reveals, we went to the Santa Monica Civic, and there was a lady that walked by and she or he was form of in that outfit that I do, besides it was a form of mauve-y pink. She had cream-colored boots on and the pink skirt and a bit of jacket and her hair was all accomplished up like a Gibson Woman with a button factor on her head, and I simply thought, “Oh my God, if I ever, ever have any cash, that is what I wish to seem like.” That was 1969. So I remembered that woman years later. I remembered her form of floating by me.
I’m wondering if she is going to ever know you impressed her. It wasn’t a well-known girl, proper? It was simply somebody.
No, it was just a few woman who appeared actually particular. Like she was like actually any individual.
Again as regards to your social media posts, when Ruth Bader Ginsburg died, you wrote the. most superb tribute in your Instagram. It had me in tears. What impressed you to put in writing one thing so prolonged and eloquent?
You understand, I positively lived via the time once we had been preventing for all that stuff. I used to be additionally in a household the place I had a really, very robust mother who wished me to be very unbiased and was wanting me to have my very own alternative on every part. … I bear in mind girls looking for a method to get an abortion. I bear in mind girls going to Mexico and going to the again alleys. I imply, clearly that by no means occurred to me, however I heard about it and I used to be horrified. And so when Roe v. Wade was handed, I used to be like, “Thank God that this has now been put again within the girls’s arms, as a result of every certainly one of us ought to have the suitable to do what we would like with their very own physique.” You probably have a sick child rising in your abdomen and you’ll’t afford that sick child, and you have already got three others, I believe that solely you as the girl who’s the mother could make that call on what to do. It’s so not truthful to place that call within the arms of the federal government. And I so want that Ruth — I do name her Ruth — had by some means made it as much as this election up, like a few weeks after the election, as a result of I believe that this new decide [Amy Coney Barrett] is being set as much as change every part. And if she does, we’re all going be in an enormous heap of hassle.
I do love your posts, even the very unhappy ones. I might significantly love an essay day by day.
I am attempting to really write greater than I used to, like with a pen and paper, and clarify issues. … Like after I wrote about [COVID-19] being like American Horror Story and the black Victorian carriage with the attractive noble however dying horses that might come for you if you happen to get this virus — what I wished to do there was put a face on the violence, so individuals would perhaps begin to consider this this lethal virus as that carriage. Once I write one thing, I actually attempt to make it extra comprehensible, in a extra poetic method. However I’ve been retaining an enormous, leather-bound journal that as massive as a coffee-table e-book since I can bear in mind. And on this particular leather-based journal that I take advantage of proper now, I have been retaining these journals since most likely 1995. I’ve a truckload of them. … I attempt to write fantastically in order that after I die, all of those journals will probably be left to all my goddaughters, my nieces, these younger girls that can handle these journals, and we’ll publish all of the issues that they really feel ought to exit. I’d even be capable of do a few of that myself. … I’m studying that individuals do like studying this stuff, after the few issues that I posted. Like, I needed to write one thing about Tom Petty final evening. I used to be simply supposed to speak on a tape recorder, however I stated, “I can not try this. I am going to simply, I am going to simply go off on some form of tirade. So let me simply sit and write it.” And it got here out actually lovely, as a result of I had written it. Tom household is de facto super-happy with it, as a result of it was a second in time that I wrote about with me and Tom. So I get to the purpose now the place I am choosing up my pen and actually writing stuff that I am permitting to exit, as a result of I do know I am beginning to notice that lots of people truly want to see extra writing. And I did not actually know that earlier than, as a result of I by no means actually put something out.
Would you ever take into account turning these writings right into a e-book?
I’m excited about making a e-book, like a espresso desk e-book with my drawings, with a drawing on one facet after which poetry and journal entries. I believe it will be a extremely lovely e-book, if I can get some assist from all of my girlfriends who’ve been watching me write in these journals each evening for 100 years to take a seat and assist me undergo all of them and pull out the items, that might be good within the e-book. As a result of I do not actually wish to write a e-book about Stevie Nicks, an autobiography. However to place out the vignettes of my life, the good issues, the good romantic moments… the actually laborious moments, the actually unhappy moments, issues I am not so up on placing out, the terribly terrible issues. Like, do I wish to write a bunch of stuff about doing medicine? Probably not. Return and browse all my interviews, if you wish to hear about that, as a result of it is all on the market. The issues that I might need in that e-book could be the issues that individuals do not find out about, however would love to listen to. I do know you’d love to listen to them.
You say you wouldn’t wish to do a straight autobiography, however I’m certain you might have been approached a few biopic, or a Fleetwood Mac film.
[A Fleetwood Mac biopic] could be very, very laborious to do now. I’ve at all times stated I by no means wished to make a film about Fleetwood Mac. … It’s important to get everyone in Fleetwood Mac concerned, and that might actually not be simple as a result of everyone in Fleetwood Mac would have a distinct concept. “No, no, you’ll be able to’t do it that method. After which one other particular person could be saying, “I believe that your concepts completely suck, and that is what it needs to be.” It could be very laborious. You’d must have a mediator in there, retaining everyone from one another’s throats to really work it out. So it is a thriller to me, to cite a Fleetwood Mac document. However who is aware of what the longer term has to carry? Generally you make these like blanket statements of “I am going to by no means try this,” after which two years later, the suitable particular person involves you and talks to you about it and you are like, “OK, that really sounds form of good.”
You stated if you happen to did any form of e-book, you’d concentrate on the constructive, and also you talked about “nice romantic moments.” You have had some excessive profile relationships, however many are threatened by girls who’re as robust as you, the way in which you stated your mom raised you. That is one thing I’ve positively skilled in my life, in a method. Why do you assume that is?
As a result of I believe that in case you are actually robust and you’ve got an incredible job, then…like, what’s your final identify?
Effectively, no man desires to be “Mr. Parker.” And no person desires to be “Mr. Nicks,” both. I’ve had a couple of boys that really had been actually beautiful and truly completely loved my loopy life and thought that what I did was improbable and had been by no means jealous of me. And that is the form of man that we’d need, however they’re far and few between. They do exist. They’re on the market. It is simply discovering any individual like that. It’s extremely, very laborious. And after I truly did discover a few guys like that, a very long time in the past and, perhaps if I had determined I simply going to stay with this one man, I’d’ve truly had a contented husband, any individual that I actually was well-suited for. However I used to be so busy all these years, shifting, shifting, shifting, at all times leaving and at all times on the street. and that was laborious for the nicest and most understanding of males. It was like, “So, how lengthy are you going to be gone? And I’m like, I do not know. It might be six months, it might be a yr, relying on how this document does. I truthfully cannot inform you.” And you then drive away in a limousine and so they’re like, “That so sucks.” And you may’t blame them, actually.
I’m 72. It isn’t that I am not feeling romantic, as a result of I can nonetheless sit down and write a extremely good love tune. I at all times have hope. I at all times assume, “Possibly across the subsequent nook may be that good one that’s going to be your particular person. However I am not in search of it, and I do not anticipate it to occur. However not in a nasty method. I might be stunned and completely happy, however I am not going to spend the remainder of my life ready to stroll round that particular nook both. We’re girls, and if we wish to rule the world — which we do! — we form of simply must take every part because it comes and be pleased with what we have now. I am fairly completely happy. I’ve a great job. I’ve probably the most superb canine. I’ve lots of nice mates. I like my music. I like my job. And I do know lots of people which might be married and so they’re not completely happy. They’ve youngsters, and so they’re not completely happy. So I would not commerce with them for something, you understand? I believe that perhaps most of us who actually seek for what we would like, form of get what we would like and have to finish. There’s a couple of issues we miss out on, however principally in the long term, it is fairly nice.
What do you take into account your best achievement?
I believe most likely being the primary girl to enter the Rock & Roll Corridor of Fame for my very own work — entering into as Stevie Nicks final yr, after already being inducted with Fleetwood Mac in 1998. That was most likely my proudest second, as a result of there have been 22 males that had been in twice for his or her solo work and for being in bands, after which there have been no girls. So, now there’s one girl. And it’s me. I really feel like I broke a glass ceiling there and let it rain on all these guys who thought they’d by no means be a lady that might go in twice. That was one of the crucial enjoyable nights of my entire life.
As you’ve talked about, you might have an actual kinship with Harry Types, who inducted you on the ceremony and carried out with you that that evening. What different younger artists do you admire?
I like HAIM, and I believe their new document is it is precisely the document that I wished them to make. I listened to it most likely a hundred-thousand instances because it got here out. Once I heard their document, I despatched them this little video of me and my canine, Lily, squawking round listening to, to their document. I believe their album is spectacular. I like Miley Cyrus; I like that she noticed into “Fringe of Seventeen” and it conjures up “Midnight Sky.” She known as me and requested me if she might use it, and I stated, “Take it. I am so completely happy that you just had been impressed by it. It is advantageous with me.” I additionally actually like Halsey, as a result of she’s form of loopy and bizarre and I simply actually like her for that. I actually hearken to all the present stuff. … So I believe that music is in good condition. If solely everyone can hold on and we will get forward of [the coronavirus]. If we might get simply get again to with the ability to play for individuals. We’re by no means going to do away with this, that is by no means going to go away, if everyone does not get within the sport.
Within the meantime, we have now your live performance movie popping out, but additionally your first new tune in six years, “Present Them the Method,” I do know you wrote it years in the past, however that tune is so good for proper now.
I had the very best time making “Present Them the Method.” I am so pleased with it. Placing that collectively made me go, “Wow, if we have got one other yr of this – and please, God, say I’m fallacious — then perhaps I’d simply make one other document, like quickly.” … I’d simply begin on one thing else as a result of it has been actually enjoyable and I’ve actually loved it. As soon as once more, I want to say how proud I’m of “Present Them the Method” as a result of I did maintain it again for nearly 13 years., after which I believed I wished it out three weeks earlier than this election, hoping that it would turn into like a theme tune — one thing that perhaps Joe Biden and Kamala Harris might play, one thing that was written for all of the individuals which might be working to take this nation again. It’s the primary time that I’ve actually written a tune that was not only a actually good tune, nevertheless it was a extremely good tune with a objective. And so I am hoping that they preserve enjoying it after which it truly does what I despatched it out into the world to do.
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